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Comments on Life after Death

By Imam W. Deen Mohammed
Imam WD Mohammed:
It was one from their group, but one that broke with their group and got by with it. But he fooled them. So he fooled them. He had them thinking that he was going to make us and they couldn't see. He had faith and faith is what did it. He had faith that the Qur'an would be more powerful than that and would bring the community to the Qur'an. The people that he was a part of, whose circle he was a part of, they didn't have faith that the Qur'an would do that. And they thought that he was a mad man. Islam will never have a chance in America. Islam and Christianity has been destroyed in America. Yes because of this kind of introduction. But my patience paid off. Patience with self and patience with the people too. Because I was anxious to get it over early. But if I had started too early, I would have lost the people.
The people would take another spirit. People weren't even in a spirit to listen to this guy's problem. It must have been when I was, the real change came, real change came in my understanding, light of understanding. It must have been, it couldn't have been earlier than 72 I don't think. But even as far back as 71, it was starting.
Imam Darnell Karim:
Did you feel yourself moving toward this in the fifties and the sixties? Or did you just start in 67?
Imam WD Mohammed:
No sir. Actually in 67 I didn't know where I was going. All I knew was I wasn't going where I had been. But did I actually know where I was going? No sir. No sir. It wasn't until, to tell you the truth, knowing where I was going, that wasn't until 74. That's when I actually knew where I was going. Yes sir. That's when I knew where I was going. What I mean by that, before then I thought that maybe I'd be a scholar, a teacher and a scholar. Because I wanted to go back to school. So, I thought maybe I was going to be a teacher and scholar in religion and just help out, help people come to better understanding the real Islam. But during late 73 and 74, the understanding started coming and I knew then that I had a mission not just to be a teacher with teachers but to lead. Yes.
And I knew the leadership would be for this community first, be for this community. But the leadership wouldn't stay with this community. I knew then the leadership wouldn't stay with this community. I knew at that time that I was going to be a leader for church people. And believe me, a lot of church people have followed. They don't call me their leader, but they have listened to what I said and they've gone back to the church. What I mean? Going back to preaching. They had almost given up. Or slowed down. Now they're going back to preaching and they are preaching with new enthusiasm, new spirit and everything. So it's because the interpretation has given them new life.
Imam Darnell Karim:
I can go into that. Just passing on what I learned from you by passing it on to others.
Imam WD Mohammed:
Yeah.
Imam Darnell Karim:
And it inspired others towards positive change.
Imam WD Mohammed:
Well there's a woman, this woman, she admits that she was influenced by my teachings. No, this woman that preach out here, got all these people out here. Coleman. Coleman. That's right. Reverend Johnny Coleman teaches three different sessions. They can't get enough people. Yeah, I know. I heard about it. She had to leave and come back, leave and come back. Three different sessions. And they just be packed. Three different lectures. Well she got all the teachings. Probably still getting it. Her sister is a sister that worked with us. Sister Barbara Green used to be called Barbara Saleem. That's her sister. I didn't know. Now I can understand her better. Got the ingredients and went on back. She is a G-d fearing woman. Although she's kind of mean now. She could be mean at times. I mean she gets street. She could get down in the street. But she's a G-d-fearing woman. I do believe that. But what about this pastor Batson? I mean what is his thing?
He used to sit here and take notes.
Imam Darnell Karim:
I heard him teaching one Sunday and he was really hooking up the commercials.
Imam WD Mohammed:
He thinks religion is a game. But he thinks he just playing a game to your advantage and to help the society. That's all. And any contribution you make to help society is alright. So make sure you get your contribution. When we went to that dinner, me and Sha about went to that dinner testimony dinner where they had invited you. One they came in, they looked like Arabian that man. Is that that? Right? Right.
Imam Darnell Karim:
I have one question.
Imam WD Mohammed:
Yes sir.
Imam Darnell Karim:
It is kind of getting away from this maybe, but it's something that was on my mind about life after death, physical death.
Imam WD Mohammed:
Yes sir.
About the soul staying around whatever it committed or misused in this world. You know what I mean? Just say for instance, if they misused a person and really hurt the person, done some real damage to the person. But it would be a punishment if they stayed around that person even after that physical death. You see what I'm trying to say?
Who did the damage to the person?
Imam Darnell Karim:
Like if I worked against you and you were doing something good. And I'm wicked and I'm working against you, I'm lying on you. I'm doing everything to try to hurt you to try to stop you from what you doing. And then I would die, physically die. Then my soul would hover around you. Not that you'd be conscious of it, and not that I could even communicate with you. But that would be sort of a punishment where I would have to be apologizing to you, wanting to make up for what I've done and I couldn't.
Imam WD Mohammed:
Alright, I got you. I got you.
Imam Darnell Karim:
I know I may not have it just right but...
Imam WD Mohammed:
I got you. Alright. That expression, life after physical death is one that we have to use but it doesn't fit. Actually, life after physical death is not what we mean. Because actually the life we talking about is the only life. Because the physical is dead already. The physical is not spiritually alive. The physical is dead. Yes sir. So the physical goes back to the physical.
Imam Darnell Karim:
Right. You just keep on living
Imam WD Mohammed:
That is alive. Remain alive. That is never born. Ain't never born. Now, if souls would hover around that person, then that would be their deception. Souls that hated a person person couldn't hover around that person. That would just be the deception of those souls. They would think they're hovering around that person.
Imam Darnell Karim:
That right.
Imam WD Mohammed:
In their souls they would think they would be hovering around that person but they wouldn't.
Imam Darnell Karim:
It is just like other things you have in your mind that are not so.
Imam WD Mohammed:
Yes sir.
Imam Darnell Karim:
Because of your dishonesty.
Imam WD Mohammed:
That's right.
Imam Darnell Karim:
Does they have any connection when Allah says in the Qur'an G-d takes the soul for a minute at night?
Imam WD Mohammed:
During sleep means your conscience. Nafs is used for conscience it's also used for soul. So during sleep means your conscience. It means that your conscience is in G-d's charge at night. You don't have control over it. It only means you don't have control over it. You're completely in G-d's charge.
Imam Darnell Karim:
Is that what accounts for dreams?
Imam WD Mohammed:
Well yes sir. Because you don't have no control over it. So whatever comes up it comes up. I'm talking about your conscience. In your conscience, it's like dead. You are like dead. You are living but you are like dead. So at that time you are not directly influencing your conscience.
Imam Darnell Karim:
I see, I see.
Imam WD Mohammed:
So G-d may give it to a dream. He may give it to blackness. Or nothing. Or he might give it to inspiration.
Imam Darnell Karim:
Because you wake up sometimes writing.
Imam WD Mohammed:
Some people wake up running from what they choose. It wasn't their choice.
Imam Darnell Karim:
Those that He keeps He takes.
Imam WD Mohammed:
That's right.
Imam Darnell Karim:
And those that He passed the decree of death upon, He keeps back from returning to life.
Imam WD Mohammed:
He holds it back from returning.
Imam Darnell Karim:
But the rest He sends to their bodies for the term appointed.
Imam WD Mohammed:
That's right. That's right. And He does this through the law that He has established. He established a pattern on which life operates and He does that through His law and command. But the soul we are talking about now that lives on is more than just a consciousness. It is something that you can only see in a dream. In a dream your consciousness comes alive, but also the whole life comes alive. You can have sexual experiences in your dream. You have any physical experience in your dream and it seem as real as any physical experience out here. So G-d take their souls at night is referring to that conscience. This is not referring to the total thing that you experienced. But at death this is what will be doomed to hell if you are not blessed. And that's what will be given to heaven if you are blessed.
The total person, which is his soul, the total life which is his soul, that life that can experience pleasure, pain, everything. Just like people have wet dreams and in their wet dreams they experience sexual sensations. Right? Yeah. Right. Alright. Why? Because the sex life is still there, right?
Imam Darnell Karim:
Yeah.
Imam WD Mohammed:
Because the sex life is still there. So if this happens in a dream and you're experiencing it in your sleep, right?
Imam Darnell Karim:
Yes sir.
Imam WD Mohammed:
Because the sex life is still there. Then if G-d bring your soul to a new reality, to a new world environment, if that soul can turn on without your consciousness, on to what's live in the environment without your conscious, couldn't it turn on to a new environment?
Imam Darnell Karim:
Yes sir.
Imam WD Mohammed:
This is the kind of rational understanding that a believer can get as a basis for believing in the continuation of life, of his total life. I used to be a disbeliever. I was in the Nation Of Islam. I was raised in the Nation of Islam. I'm just like everybody else. Or you could say I was a disbelieveror whatever you want to call me. I didn't believe, but my heart was right and I knew I had to follow the Qur'an because this is the right book you see. I said what does this mean. Prophet Muhammad would be in heaven. We will be in the heavens. The Holy Qur'an tell the Prophet you're going to die. Tell him you're going die. Now he can't die spiritually. He's a Prophet. He can't die spiritually. Even my mind at that time had to accept that this is talking about the Prophet is going to die. Prophet Muhammad is going to die. Okay. But G-d promised him that he's going to connect him back with his relative, his companions.
And then tell the believers to hope for certain type of companions in this afterlife. So I'm trying to rationalize. Okay, so I'm saying, Okay, Prophet Muhammad through us, Problem Muhammad in his teaching, he will be united with us. Once we come into the knowledge he'll have new companions, not the same ones, the good ones. Not the same Muhammad, but in his knowledge. You know what I mean? Okay. I'm rationalizing. I'm trying to make this thing work in the understanding that I had, okay? I rationalized and rationalized. I go to sleep and Allah gave me an experience. Cause He knew I wasn't satisfied with my own rational thing. He gave me an experience in my sleep and I woke up. I said Alhamduillahi Raabil Al Amin. The thing that I was disbelieving in He made me experience it. I'm not going tell you what it was, but He made me experience it. The thing that I disbelieved in, He made me experience it. Yeah.
Imam Darnell Karim:
You say you can't tell us?
Imam WD Mohammed:
It was a spiritual thing that I didn't believe could happen in physical life. But it happened to me in that same night that I went to sleep. After thinking on that, rationalizing all that. Yeah.
Imam Darnell Karim:
I think I kind of understand.
Imam WD Mohammed:
In my sleep I had this experience. I wake up saying Alhamduillah. And after then I had other experiences. Allah is my witness. You might just say it was an illusion or something. Maybe it was an illusion. But if G-d can produce an illusion than this is real. I began saying my prayers awake in the day. Just like I am now. At a certain point in my prayer, I was this high up off the physical floor. Now you can say it was an illusion, whatever you want to say. It was an illusion. But if G-d can create that real under an illusion for me, when I didn't want go up, I had no desire to go up. That really and truly still is reality. You know what I'm saying? Even though you might say, well you didn't go up physically from that floor, it was still a reality. If G-d has the power to lift me physically off the floor in my conscious mind so that I don't see myself in any way other than physically off the floor, then G-d has still lifted me up from the floor physically.
Yeah. Even though science probably said he didn't move physically from the floor. I say in reality I did move physically from the floor. Because at that time I was in my conscious mind and I'm off the floor and I see the floor under me. I see everything. I'm off the floor. So those around me say, no, you were still on the floor. The hand was out here. We felt your foot on the floor. I said, you look here, you felt some foot on the floor. My foot was up in the air. My feet were up in the air. Right. You see what I mean? So G-d has power to produce a new reality. G-d has power to produce another reality.
Imam Darnell Karim:
No, I just want to say what he was saying. A dream is the same way. A dream is the same way. You dreaming. You are running down the street. Yes. Your body's laying in the bed. That's right. You got hands. That's right. And you see yourself running.
Imam WD Mohammed:
You're experiencing that.
Imam Darnell Karim:
And if you see your hands, I've been bitten by a dog in a dream. And I felt it. But when I woke up, my hand in the bed wasn't bit on. It was real. And I fought the hell out that dog. In fact I killed it.


